Either one is fine, but since I knew you were gonna use basketball, I used the US as my reference point.Quote:
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Wrong, thats about as wrong as a person can possibly be. Revenue is WAY deeper than popularity. Its management, advertising, all different variables go into revenue. To say its nothing more than popularity is ridiculous and wrong.Quote:
You specifically say that popularity doesn't equal greatest, but point to revenue(which is nothing but a popularity contest) as your first point of your argument.
Haha, again. No evidence to refute me whatsoever. I was talking about the intricate schemes and matchups, the amount of studying and preparation EACH player has to do. I mentioned that football players spend more time gameplanning and studying regardless. And that is 100% true. No way to refute that.Quote:
Preparation into game plan is absolutely ridiculous, I would hope they put more preparation into game plan when I have A WEEK before the next game. Other sports don't have that luxury considering it's a bit more grueling playing 4-5 times a week. That one was just absurd, how can that even be considered?
And if playing 4-5 basketball games a week was more grueling, wouldnt more NBA players be injured and suffer long term health effects? Just stop man
No other sport uses matchup scheming, gameplanning to the extent the NFL uses. Meaning that no other sport has their players as prepared as NFL players are; no other sport makes athletes more familiar with their opponents, leading to a chess match unseen in any other mainstream sport. When opponents know each other so well, they know tendencies and other variables, meaning that the games are usually well played and scheme battles. No other sport is like that.
Absolutely. Dude, you have no basis and no argument. When the schedule is smaller, each game means more, meaning each week is more important. Can you refute that? NoQuote:
The games are more meaningful and that somehow dwindles the other sports because they have to play more games? That goes with the second gem above, the format of the scheduling somehow makes it a factor as the greatest sport? lmao
I now understand what everyone else on here says. You make **** up and expect people to believe it.Quote:
Those two lines really just made me laugh. You're telling me that a sport that half of the players that are just overweight goliaths that make a living hand-checking other overweight goliaths 8 seconds at a time and usually on ONE SIDE OF THE BALL requires the greatest athletes of all of sports? ahahahaha. Riiiiight.
Calling an NFL DT nothing more than an overweight goliath is ridiculous. You are a completely braindead if you believe it does not take an incredible amount of talent and skill to play DT in teh NFL.
If its so easy, why arent there thousands of fat, out of shape guys in teh NFL?
If it takes no athleticism, you try to:
weight 285 pounds
bench press well over 300 pounds
run the 40 yard dash in less than 4.6 seconds
have a vertical leap over 35"
then you can be Julius Peppers.
Or weight 350 pounds, bench well over 400 pounds, run the 40 yard dash in 5 seconds, move like a cat and play 50 snaps a game. Then maybe you can talk about how Vince Wilfork is just a fat goliath.
So you are saying that playing 300 plays a year as an OL is not more physicall grueling than playing 30 minutes per game in teh NBA? Dude, really? Surely you dont believe that.Quote:
That devotion one is again laughable, what other sport requires the athlete to play a whopping 300 plays a year? How about all of them, that's how many minutes of actual playing time? 30? This one isn't even close, in the other two major sports the athletes play on both sides of the ball, far more many times and if we're talking a much faster paced basketball game then it's really not even close to devotion for the sport - even though that's iffy to judge an athletes devotion to anything...which brings me to your next piece.
Playing 30 MPG in 80 NBA games equals 2400 minutes on the court. But big men dont play like that. Since we are talking about big men, we have to use big guys. Most bigger C's and PFs play what, 20 MPG? and they paly what, 75% of their teams games? Thats about 60 games, and leads to about 1200 minutes per year.
NFL OL, where guys smash into other huge men at high rates of force, play 60 snaps per game for mediocre offense (some are even higher). 60 snaps thru 16 games is 960 plays a year. at about 10 seconds per play, thats 9,600 seconds, or almost three hours of game time a year.
But since NFL players practice more often and longer, the numbers are much closer than you lead on.
And to argue that 1200 minutes of NBA action is harder on your body than 500 minutes of playing OG against NFL DTs is just out there. I seriously doubt many people will disagree that playing OT in the NFL is much, much more physically grueling than playing C in teh NFL.
Passion =/= atmosphere, dumb argument. and since you bring up college, college football has been known for the greatest atmosphere in sports for years.Quote:
Passion. Since you possess the ability to judge passion of ANYONE, I don't even know where to start with this one. I'll take an atmosphere at a college basketball game or NBA playoff game as good as any NFL game played a year. Never is an football player taught to HURT anyone, it may happen because it's a contact sport, but I've never heard any right-minded coach to tell his players to seriously injure or anything close to it to play the game...football players aren't asked that, sorry. There's enough rules and pads to make the injuries of the everyday game worth the million dollar paycheck. If we were talking rugby or MMA, you might have a point.
So you are arguing that running full speed into another grown man is not hurting each other? Again, W.O.W. Again, you show how little you know about football.
Its controlled violence, mayhem. You are telling me that James Harrison running full speed at a RB isnt hurting him? ****
Oh, tell all these old NFL guys with brain damage, broken limbs, backs/knees that dont work, etc.. that the NFL doesnt require you to hurt another person.
You ever heard of an injury called a CONCUSSION?
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Again, you keep flip-flopping to world or US? Which is it? And I'm just realistic actually and not a blind homer to say that my FAVORITE sport is the greatest on earth. Your argument was incredibly flawed, hell a big chunk of it is based on scheduling, the other a popularity contest you contradicted yourself on and unmeasurable factors like passion? I don't even know why I'm arguing about it, I've said it can't even be determined and this petty argument you laid out sure as hell didn't convince anyone or change any minds. You say you lay out this solid as nails argument that can't be touch(ha) and then say exactly what the hell I said from the beginning - it CAN'T BE DETERMINED AND IS A MATTER OF PREFERENCE. Probably done with the thread altogether since it's a ridiculous debate.
If my argument is so **** flawed, why couldnt you pick it apart? Your logic is weak, very very weak.
My argument is solid, yours is laughable.
To say NFL lineman are not athletes and just overweight goliaths; to say playing an NBA season is just as grueling if not more than teh NFL; arguing that NFL players dont spend more preparation time and gameplanning than other sports; to say that football players dont hurt each other is funny in how untrue all that is.
Just bad, terrible post by you. I cant believe you really thought you were ripping up my argument when yours is so bad.
